Harlan Ellison and J.R.Sherman

[Ironywaves]

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will

http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

[j r sherman]

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will

if it isn't, it ought to be.


love and kisses,

j r sherman

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"A sad tale's best for winter: I have one
Of sprites and goblins."
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[Ironywaves]

Post by j r sherman

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will

if it isn't, it ought to be.

True... I once had a cool dream back around 1989, that it turned out Harlan
Ellison was living around the corner from me... then I found that he did
actually spend some time here in the 1950s, in bootcamp at Fort Darkness.
Will

http://www.amber-kaye.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=553&page=1

[Ironywaves]

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Post by j r sherman

Post by Ironywaves

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will

if it isn't, it ought to be.
love and kisses,
j r sherman
------------------------------------------------------------------
"A sad tale's best for winter: I have one
Of sprites and goblins."
------------------------------------------------------------------

I hate Harlan Ellison for three
characters he stuck in my head that won't
go away and who almost never shut-up.
Harlequin, the Tick-Tock man
and Raoul-Mitgong.
Mainly, Mitgong. I've tried for years
to get him into a story of mine but so
far the only thing I've been able to get
him to do is narrate.
He's useless!
-blue

i love him for "Lonely Ache" and One Life Furnished in Early Poverty".
oh, and the whole collection of his short stories in the book Approaching
Tomorrow. cool stuff.... crazy guy.
but who isn't?

In the late 1980s, I managed to collect a complete Ellison paperback
collection, several with different cover art, through used bookstore in
Atlanta. I enjoy his columns and essays the most. "With An Edge In My Voice"
was one Hell of an entertaining column, as was "Glass Teat".
Will

http://www.amber-kaye.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=553&pid=1381#pid1381

[Bill Warren]

From: j r sherman

Post by Ironywaves
Nice little story, if it's true...
Will

if it isn't, it ought to be.

Why?

[Ironywaves]

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Can you give us more details on his historic event?
Will

http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

[David M. Bent]

It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

D. Marrold Bent

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will
http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

[j r sherman]

In article <80Swb.42776$***@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, David M. Bent
says...

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.
D. Marrold Bent

he did in 1984.

Post by David M. Bent

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at

the

Post by Ironywaves
time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will
http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

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"A sad tale's best for winter: I have one
Of sprites and goblins."
------------------------------------------------------------------

[Ironywaves]

Post by j r sherman
says...

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.
D. Marrold Bent

he did in 1984.

This was an interesting time for Harlan. He was going therough the lawsuit
for calling the writer of "The Spectre" comic "bugfuck crazy" in an
interview in Comics Journal... Harlan won, of course.
Will

http://www.amber-kaye.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=553

Post by j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at

the

Post by Ironywaves
time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will
http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

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"A sad tale's best for winter: I have one
Of sprites and goblins."
------------------------------------------------------------------

[Dennis M. Hammes]

Post by j r sherman
says...

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.
D. Marrold Bent

he did in 1984.

He actually had a drinking problem.
He kept falling into the glass.

[Bill Warren]

From: j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

he did in 1984.

Another lie. Why lie about something so patently false?

[M.Bergman]

Post by Bill Warren

From: j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

he did in 1984.

Another lie. Why lie about something so patently false?

I was at the World SF Convention in Phoenix, AZ back in 1978 and HE
happened to be the GOH and I remember vividly how heavy a drinker he
was. He was really going through Perrier like it was water.

m.

[Bill Warren]

Post by M.Bergman
I was at the World SF Convention in Phoenix, AZ back in 1978 and HE
happened to be the GOH and I remember vividly how heavy a drinker he
was. He was really going through Perrier like it was water.

Shhhh -- that's a SECRET vice. At least he didn't stay in the hotel.....

[Will Dockery]

Post by Bill Warren

From: j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

he did in 1984.

Another lie. Why lie about something so patently false?

That's just J.R. Sherman's way.
Will

"Mirror Twins" MP3, free preview:
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[Will Dockery]

Post by Will Dockery

Post by Bill Warren

From: j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

he did in 1984.

Another lie. Why lie about something so patently false?

That's just J.R. Sherman's way.
Will
if you're going to lie, the lie needs to be somewhat plausible, you know?
why must i ALWAYS be the one who points this fact out?

And who better to teach how to properly lie than you, JRS? BTW, I recieved a
copy of Harlan Ellison's book "City On The Edge Of Forever" a couple of days
ago, and there's a section where he states that he doesn't drink, and has
*never* drank... leading us to assume that your story of meeting Ellison in
1984, and having drinks with him is a... lie. Whic is obvious to those of us
know know you.
Will

"Mirror Twins" Mp3, free preview:
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[Will Dockery]

Post by Will Dockery

Post by Will Dockery
if you're going to lie, the lie needs to be somewhat plausible, you know?
why must i ALWAYS be the one who points this fact out?

And who better to teach how to properly lie than you, JRS?

but you don't dispute my claim.

Post by Will Dockery
BTW, I recieved a
copy of Harlan Ellison's book "City On The Edge Of Forever" a couple of days
ago,

really, from where?

A bookstore.

Post by Will Dockery
and there's a section where he states that he doesn't drink, and has
*never* drank... leading us to assume that your story of meeting Ellison in
1984, and having drinks with him is a... lie. Which is obvious to those of us
know know you.

he had a drink in his hand, as i've said. i believe he was intoxicated on
something, regardless of what he wrote in his book. but, in all honesty i was
quite drunk myself, so i am willing to admit i wasn't 100% sure about all events
of that evening.

[from "City On The Edge Of Forever", page 72]:

"What's wrong is that I don't drink.
I have never drunk.
Can'r stand the taste of alchohol, it makes me sick. As a
consequence, I have no tolerance for alchohol of any kind. I do not
drink beer, wine, hard liquor. I also don't use drugs, but that's
another matter."
-Harlan Ellison.

oh, i'm also sure i threw a wine glass from the top of the Marriots in Portland
to the roof of a building across the street, at around 3am. that i remember. it
was a foolish male youthful moment.
but contrary to popular opinion, on that same weekend i did NOT say to Larry
Niven that he was a "lousy" writer. this embellishment has followed me for
almost 20 years, and i wish to state now, in public that i did not say Larry
Niven was a lousy writer to his face.
i think i might have said it to some chick he wanted to fuck, and it's possible
that she told him, but i said no such thing to his face.
ahhh, youth.
love and kisses,
j r sherman
------------------------------------------------------------------
"A sad tale's best for winter: I have one
Of sprites and goblins."
------------------------------------------------------------------

Post by Will Dockery

Post by Will Dockery
From: j r sherman

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

he did in 1984.

Another lie. Why lie about something so patently false?

That's just J.R. Sherman's way.
Will
http://my.lulu.com/content/29085

[Bill Warren]

Of course, the amusing thing is that I, too, was at that party at the
convention in Portland; the room was full of people I didn't know, probably
including Sherman, but Ellison was not drinking alcohol. He may have had a
glass of water with ice in it. But he wasn't drinking liquor or anything like
it.

[Will Dockery]

Post by Bill Warren
Of course, the amusing thing is that I, too, was at that party at the
convention in Portland; the room was full of people I didn't know, probably
including Sherman, but Ellison was not drinking alcohol. He may have had a
glass of water with ice in it. But he wasn't drinking liquor or anything like
it.

Before Sherman jumps back that "Ellison was obviously high on
something", let's note that HE has also stated that he uses no drugs
of any kind.
Will

"Mirror Twins" MP3, free preview:
http://my.lulu.com/content/29085

[Jaime M. de Castellvi]

Post by Will Dockery

Post by Bill Warren
Of course, the amusing thing is that I, too, was at that party at the
convention in Portland; the room was full of people I didn't know, probably
including Sherman, but Ellison was not drinking alcohol. He may have had a
glass of water with ice in it. But he wasn't drinking liquor or anything like
it.

Before Sherman jumps back that "Ellison was obviously high on
something", let's note that HE has also stated that he uses no drugs
of any kind.
Will

Maybe Harlan was sitting on a stool or on top of the bar. From a
certain perspective, that could be perceived as Harlan "high on
something" : )

Cheers,

Jaime

[Will Dockery]

Post by Jaime M. de Castellvi

Post by Will Dockery

Post by Bill Warren
Of course, the amusing thing is that I, too, was at that party at the
convention in Portland; the room was full of people I didn't know, probably
including Sherman, but Ellison was not drinking alcohol. He may have had a
glass of water with ice in it. But he wasn't drinking liquor or anything like
it.

Before Sherman jumps back that "Ellison was obviously high on
something", let's note that HE has also stated that he uses no drugs
of any kind.
Will

Maybe Harlan was sitting on a stool or on top of the bar. From a
certain perspective, that could be perceived as Harlan "high on
something" : )
Cheers,
Jaime

From J. R. Sherman's perspective, JRS would need to just up just to punch
Harlan in the nuts...
Will

"Mirror Twins" Mp3:
http://www.lulu.com/content/29085

[Jay G]

but contrary to popular opinion, on that same weekend i did NOT say to Larry
Niven that he was a "lousy" writer. this embellishment has followed me for
almost 20 years, and i wish to state now, in public that i did not say Larry
Niven was a lousy writer to his face.
i think i might have said it to some chick he wanted to fuck, and it's possible
that she told him, but i said no such thing to his face.

For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.

-Jay

[Will Dockery]

but contrary to popular opinion, on that same weekend i did NOT say to

Larry

Niven that he was a "lousy" writer. this embellishment has followed me

for

almost 20 years, and i wish to state now, in public that i did not say

Larry

Niven was a lousy writer to his face.
i think i might have said it to some chick he wanted to fuck, and it's

possible

that she told him, but i said no such thing to his face.

For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.

-Jay

Yeah... and he got drunk with Harlan Ellison, who never drinks. Perhaps
Sherman's memory is foggy after 19 years.
Otherwise, he's a lying backstabber, based upon his own words...
Will

"Mirror Twins" MP3, free preview:
http://my.lulu.com/content/29085

[Dennis M. Hammes]

but contrary to popular opinion, on that same weekend i did NOT say to

Larry

Niven that he was a "lousy" writer. this embellishment has followed me

for

almost 20 years, and i wish to state now, in public that i did not say

Larry

Niven was a lousy writer to his face.
i think i might have said it to some chick he wanted to fuck, and it's

possible

that she told him, but i said no such thing to his face.

For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.
-Jay

For some reason, Dockery /still/ can't read plain English.
Neither can you.

[Bill Warren]

Post by Jay G
For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.

Probably the same reason he feels it okay to refer to a girl as a "chick."

[Will Dockery]

Post by Bill Warren

Post by Jay G
For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.

Probably the same reason he feels it okay to refer to a girl as a "chick."

Sherman fancies himself a "hipster", but the truth is, he's a fraud and a wannabe.
Will

"Greybeard Cavalier" Mp3:
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[Wormwood]

Post by Bill Warren

Post by Jay G
For some reason, Sherman thinks insulting someone behind
their back is a better thing than insulting them to their face.

Probably the same reason he feels it okay to refer to a girl as a "chick."

Heh, even many feminists nowadays refer to girls as "chicks."

[Bill Warren]

From: Wormwood
Heh, even many feminists nowadays refer to girls as "chicks."

So what? Black people call each other "nigger;" that is not giving permission
to people of other races to use that term.

[Jay G]

Post by Bill Warren

From: Wormwood
Heh, even many feminists nowadays refer to girls as "chicks."

So what? Black people call each other "nigger;" that is not giving permission
to people of other races to use that term.

Feminists need not necessarily be female. What's interesting is
that Wormword uses a slightly less derogatory word to refer
to women himself, unless he was saying only females aged
1-18 are referred to as chicks.

-Jay

[Ironywaves]

David, this was apparently another of J.R. Sherman's many lies.
Will

http://www.lulu.com/dockery

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.
D. Marrold Bent

Post by Ironywaves

then finally there would be something truthful on your website.

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at

the

Post by Ironywaves
time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...
Will
http://my.lulu.com/content/26663

[Bill Warren]

Post by David M. Bent
It was my understanding that Harlan doesn't drink.

That's correct. He also doesn't use recreational drugs.

[Jms at B5]

Post by Ironywaves

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...

It's not. This is one of those stories that gets repeated around, the kicker
being the drinks reference, because Harlan *doesn't* drink.


jms

(***@aol.com)
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permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)

[David M. Bent]

Thanks, that's what I knew to be true as well.

D. Marrold Bent

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at the

time

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...

It's not. This is one of those stories that gets repeated around, the kicker
being the drinks reference, because Harlan *doesn't* drink.
jms
(all message content (c) 2003 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)

[Will Dockery]

Post by David M. Bent
Thanks, that's what I knew to be true as well.
D. Marrold Bent

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the

weekend
of July

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at

the
time

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves

he said.

Nice little story, if it's true...

It's not. This is one of those stories that gets repeated around, the

kicker

Post by Jms at B5
being the drinks reference, because Harlan *doesn't* drink.

jms

That's why I brought this to people who would know... another one of
Sherman's delusions/lies.
Will

Post by David M. Bent

Post by Jms at B5
(all message content (c) 2003 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)

[Bill Warren]

Post by Jms at B5

Post by Ironywaves
Nice little story, if it's true...

It's not. This is one of those stories that gets repeated around, the kicker
being the drinks reference, because Harlan *doesn't* drink.

On the nosey.

[Ironywaves]

Harlan Ellison once wrote that writing is "creative lying",

Harlan Ellison also once said to me, in person, that a fool who writes

shit can

be one of the more amusing creatures around. said this to me the weekend

of July

4th, 1984, in Portland, Oregon. though we both had had a few drinks at

the time

he said.

You never met him. You can't even find Portland on the map, poseur.

ever?

j r, Will writes poetry. You don't. Will writes music. You don't. Will
can draw. You can't. You're a three-time loser, poseur.

Add liar on the list of things hr does well...
Will

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